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lou: great news on the economy, will higher taxes screw it up? two of the best economic thinkers join us, deutsche bank senior u.s. correspondents will be here joining us next. detroit on the edge of bankruptcy as city councilwoman with a rather direct, plain spoken solution saying it's simple. the city voted for obama. now obama must bail out mo-town, next. want to try to crack it? yeah, that's the way to do it! n we need a little bit more... [ male announcer ] at humana, we understand the value of quality time and personal attention. which is why we are proud to partner with health care professionals who understand the difference that quality time with our members can make... that's a very nice cake! ohh! [ giggles ] [ male announcer ] humana thanks the physicians, nurses, hospitals, pharmacists and other health professionals who helped achieve the highest average star rating among national medicare companies... and become the first and only national medicare advantage company to achieve a 5-star rating for a medica plan... your effortresult in
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but our economy is teetering on economy. it is a stealth tax and never goes away and the funds don't go to highways and nothing down to encourage driving . the tax revenue will go somewhere else. >> john, i mentioned in the top of the segment that republicans are apparently okay or considering it. the new republican head of the committee in the house of representatives said he will not put it off of the table. >> if they do this, this is the quick path to being the minority party. hopefully they will wake up to that. ate point washington works for us and not them. why can't they sacrifice and spend less of wour money so we don't have to pay more. a union blitz against private companies is a victoryry by big labor about to drive up the fax spill. wait until you hear this coming up next. now one plan to take union pensions off of the backs of taxpayers has failed in california. government unions declaring a major victory and killing off a reform victory that replaced with 401 k style investment plans. it is a defeat for taxpay
but our economy is teetering on economy. it is a stealth tax and never goes away and the funds don't go to highways and nothing down to encourage driving . the tax revenue will go somewhere else. >> john, i mentioned in the top of the segment that republicans are apparently okay or considering it. the new republican head of the committee in the house of representatives said he will not put it off of the table. >> if they do this, this is the quick path to being the minority party....
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it would be devastating to the economy. it particularly bothers me, given the fact i believe this is the magic moment -- if we are ever going to get a deal done, now is the time to do it -- we have got a republican speaker who has been willing to put revenues on the table. we have republicans and democrats who have said we ought to have a balanced plan. most importantly, to get something done here in town, you have got to have a crisis. we have got one. we have got a real crisis in this fiscal cliff. i think it would be insane. i think there is a one-third possibility we will get something done before december 31. you all know what it means if we do not. if we go over the cliff, i think ll see economic growth slowed by as muc i think that is enough to put us back into recession. it will throw another 2 million people out of work. unemployment will go to 9%. i guarantee you the members of congress and the president's economic team will hear from the business community today that they are already slow in hiring. they are alre
it would be devastating to the economy. it particularly bothers me, given the fact i believe this is the magic moment -- if we are ever going to get a deal done, now is the time to do it -- we have got a republican speaker who has been willing to put revenues on the table. we have republicans and democrats who have said we ought to have a balanced plan. most importantly, to get something done here in town, you have got to have a crisis. we have got one. we have got a real crisis in this fiscal...
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what they really want to know is the economy going to grow or not. if you're increasing taxes on dividend, you get less capital and dividends and then less growth for the economy and less revenue for the government. >> well, a lot of people worry about the many years that japan has been in a slow growth environment, but they've kept interest rates very low in japan, but the problem is, government is too big. that's why japan has not been able to start growing again. and this is the path that the u.s. is certainly on if we don't change that dynamic. >> paul: kim, is there any recognition about this in washington or is it all -- i mean, do you hear any of this discussion or do they really believe, certainly, the white house and the treasury, that tax rates like this don't matter, at that ultimately-- >> no, they do to a degree. if you talk to the officials iran up, come on, so we're going to raise the rates, what is fascinating to put it in the bigger context of the debate about tax revenue, the economists have the static view, you've got x-amounts of
what they really want to know is the economy going to grow or not. if you're increasing taxes on dividend, you get less capital and dividends and then less growth for the economy and less revenue for the government. >> well, a lot of people worry about the many years that japan has been in a slow growth environment, but they've kept interest rates very low in japan, but the problem is, government is too big. that's why japan has not been able to start growing again. and this is the path...
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and the president have held us in abeyance for a year and a half on this issue which has stall the economy, people -- while they sit and lay their game and their vacation everything else, they've stalled the impact. >> the idea of all of the bush tax cuts going away, is a serious thing. here again, the president could win, having them all go over, that's an extraordinarily serious event.ss whether republicans take this offer from yesterday, whether they take it personally or they just say well -- >> greta: you think it is posturing to make it a game? >> i think the first offer from the democrats should have been a couple weeks ago. the first offer had to be really bad, the democrats just won an election, their interest groups everyone that fought and bled for that election feels like they did well they can't give something that negotiates away a lot of what they want going to ask for something unrealistic and hoping to get something back. the first offer has to be rejected out of hand. >> greta: i think it is insulting. >> i think the republicans expected something bad, i just don't think
and the president have held us in abeyance for a year and a half on this issue which has stall the economy, people -- while they sit and lay their game and their vacation everything else, they've stalled the impact. >> the idea of all of the bush tax cuts going away, is a serious thing. here again, the president could win, having them all go over, that's an extraordinarily serious event.ss whether republicans take this offer from yesterday, whether they take it personally or they just say...
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think of the economy as a car and the rich man is the driver. if you don't give the driver, he'll drive you over a cliff. >> that's an aside show and this is "hardball," the place for politics. >>> never too early for pollsters to start head to 2016. guess who's looking very strong? hillary clinton. a new abc news/washington post poll say they would back hillary clinton. it's helpful no one has run a campaign against clinton for the past four years and also helping her numbers is 68% approve of the job she's done as secretary of state for this country. >>> welcome back to "hardball." we know now that mitt romney blames his loss on obama's gifts. i should put the quote marks around that. the much maligned 47% came out in force. last night paul ryan distanced himself from his running mate's remarks. take a look. >> both parties tend to divide americans into our voters and their voters. let's be really clear. republicans must steer far clear of that trap. we must speak to aspirations and anxieties of every american. >> you know, it's hardly a month
think of the economy as a car and the rich man is the driver. if you don't give the driver, he'll drive you over a cliff. >> that's an aside show and this is "hardball," the place for politics. >>> never too early for pollsters to start head to 2016. guess who's looking very strong? hillary clinton. a new abc news/washington post poll say they would back hillary clinton. it's helpful no one has run a campaign against clinton for the past four years and also helping her...
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you don't raise taxes when the economy's struggling. we were growing at a clip of 5.6% of gdp growth, and today, it's less than 2%, and he's making the saim argument. lou: thank you. greato have you here. more on the cliff, stalled negotiations, and, of course, ever-lasting hope straight ahead. syria and the fiscal cliff. they share two things in common. they are subjects of an obama ultimate may tum and -- ultimatum and the a-team tonight. >> three, two, one! [cheers and applause] lou: state of washington celebrating the passage of two ballot initiatives. why pot heads gathered at the space needle ineattle next. the fiscal cliff 25 days away, a leading conservative senator unexpectedly resigns, and we'll take that up with his friend and colleague, congressman trey here next. lou: a big surprise today in washington. senator jim demint of south carolina announcing he will resign his senate seat? january to take over the leadership of the think tank, the conservative think tank, the heritage foundation. earlier, the snator criticized boeh
you don't raise taxes when the economy's struggling. we were growing at a clip of 5.6% of gdp growth, and today, it's less than 2%, and he's making the saim argument. lou: thank you. greato have you here. more on the cliff, stalled negotiations, and, of course, ever-lasting hope straight ahead. syria and the fiscal cliff. they share two things in common. they are subjects of an obama ultimate may tum and -- ultimatum and the a-team tonight. >> three, two, one! [cheers and applause] lou:...
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. >> wait a minute, economic activity and the economy boomed. clinton in 1993 did another tax increase. then it must have crashed right? let's see what happens. whoa, it went up again. interesting, right? then of course, we have a bubble in terms of the tech crash you remember in 2000. it went down a little bit, but then we had a tax cut in 2001 under george w. bush. after the tax cut obviously it's going to do much better. let's see how that goes. what? after the second tax cut in 2003, a dramatic dive down in the economy. when you look at this, it is obvious when the republicans say hey, if you do tax cuts, it creates jobs, we have a long record of that not being the case. when they say if you increase taxes, oh, you're going to destroy jobs, what are you doing? we have a long record of that not being the case. but none the less, i want to go back one more time to christopher cox in 1993. here was his prediction what would happen to the economy if we cut taxes: >> cenk: wrong again cox. so, they were wrong before, they're wrong again today. an
. >> wait a minute, economic activity and the economy boomed. clinton in 1993 did another tax increase. then it must have crashed right? let's see what happens. whoa, it went up again. interesting, right? then of course, we have a bubble in terms of the tech crash you remember in 2000. it went down a little bit, but then we had a tax cut in 2001 under george w. bush. after the tax cut obviously it's going to do much better. let's see how that goes. what? after the second tax cut in 2003,...
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the president replied breaks for middle class important for families and economy. if top rates don't go up, danger middle-class deductions get hit. the gop is holding middle-class taxes hostage i'm not. joining me is msnbc policy analyst and columnist for "the washington post" ezra klein. it is great to have you. we need your help today. >> you know what makes me sad about that twitter discussion. >> what's that? >> those were 140 character bites more substantive than almost any of the tax discussions in the media or in washington. they were beating us in 140 characters. >> the president's twitter -- you have to -- in too many abbreviations but i'm getting ahead of myself here. let's talk about those substantive tweets which is to say, i want to talk about the closing of loopholes. i spoke with grover norquist about this magic math that the republicans are doing. let's say they put closing loopholes and deductions on the table. the issue is whether anybody is going to go for this. the deductions that are there are very popular. the ones that would get the most reve
the president replied breaks for middle class important for families and economy. if top rates don't go up, danger middle-class deductions get hit. the gop is holding middle-class taxes hostage i'm not. joining me is msnbc policy analyst and columnist for "the washington post" ezra klein. it is great to have you. we need your help today. >> you know what makes me sad about that twitter discussion. >> what's that? >> those were 140 character bites more substantive...
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for example, the need for what they call a pro-growth economy, like senator ron johnson. let me play for you what he had to say. >> this president simply doesn't understand that and as a result he's going to punish success, put at risk the economic growth that we really need to create jobs, revenue that we need. >> this is sort of the talking point that we've been hearing all along. is there any indication around capitol hill that there is some softening on that? >> i don't even know what that means, putting -- basically, i believe that the argument is that only by decreasing taxes can you lead to growth. there is a lot of historical evidence that that is not necessarily the case. i think the issue for the gchop right now is whether the tax cuts expire for everyone or whether for only those with income over $250,000. >> let me bring in jim from the national journal. jim, we had a little technical problem there. let me ask you about what she said said. can anything be decided at all until a decision is made about who is going to have tax cuts expire if it's just going to b
for example, the need for what they call a pro-growth economy, like senator ron johnson. let me play for you what he had to say. >> this president simply doesn't understand that and as a result he's going to punish success, put at risk the economic growth that we really need to create jobs, revenue that we need. >> this is sort of the talking point that we've been hearing all along. is there any indication around capitol hill that there is some softening on that? >> i don't...
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you don't raise taxes when the economy's struggling. we were growing at a clip of 5.6% of gdp growth, and today, it's less than 2%, and he's making the saim argument. lou: thank you. great to have you here. more on the cliff, stalled negotiations, and, of course, ever-lasting hope straight ahead. syria and the fiscal cliff. they share two things in common. they are subjects of an obama ultimate may tum and -- ultimatum and the a-team tonight. >> three, two, one! [cheers and applause] lou: state of washington celebrating the passage of two ballot initiatives. why pot heads gathered at the space needle in seattle next. the fiscal cliff 25 days away, a leading conservative senator unexpectedly resigns, and we'll take that up with his friend and colleague, congressman trey here next. want to try to crack it? yeah, that's the way to do it! now we need a little bimore... [ male announcer ] at humana, we understand the value of quality time and personal attentio which is why we are proud to partner with health care professionals who understand
you don't raise taxes when the economy's struggling. we were growing at a clip of 5.6% of gdp growth, and today, it's less than 2%, and he's making the saim argument. lou: thank you. great to have you here. more on the cliff, stalled negotiations, and, of course, ever-lasting hope straight ahead. syria and the fiscal cliff. they share two things in common. they are subjects of an obama ultimate may tum and -- ultimatum and the a-team tonight. >> three, two, one! [cheers and applause] lou:...
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enough to get back to a healthy economy. they cut the estimate to how much we are growing. people are not making enough money and therefore, not spending enough money and businesses are not hiring enough people. we need to be talking about growth. the problem in the country is an economic growth problem. the deficit, nobody wants there to be a deficit, but that's not the pressing need we've got as a nation. growing the economy, frankly, is the only way we have gotten rid of red ink in the past. when americans are better off, they pay more in taxes. the government can pay for the usual things and pay down the debt. president clinton, the surplus, he got that partly from raising revenue. raising taxes. but also he did it in a way that grew the economy and the nation prospered and the debt became no big deal and then the debt was gone and the debt clocks that were supposed to be scary got shut off. that was because of prioritizing economic growth and being willing to raise revenues. look when we started growing again after the
enough to get back to a healthy economy. they cut the estimate to how much we are growing. people are not making enough money and therefore, not spending enough money and businesses are not hiring enough people. we need to be talking about growth. the problem in the country is an economic growth problem. the deficit, nobody wants there to be a deficit, but that's not the pressing need we've got as a nation. growing the economy, frankly, is the only way we have gotten rid of red ink in the past....
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not a pro on the economy. i think we need to invest and there's a sweet spot comes up in infrastructure in particular that offers a real opportunity. >> jay, my question. as far as when you talk about that sweet spot, if we're going to start seeing inflation through the roof, i think a lot of people expect it if we come it to a deal with the fiscal cliff and get economic growth and get people investing, inflation will go up. so that is going to be a problem for american families. like you said, there are places that business can succeed. is it government-infused money to get there, or is it going to be actual, real, american dollars in there? >> susan, that's really the opportunity. first of all, i don't think inflation is a concern for years. in order for inflation to be a concern it it has to get into the wage cycle. we're far from that. the needs are clear. ports, roads, transport rail and plus protection against extreme weather. on the other side demand. the demand for infrastructure investments isle comin
not a pro on the economy. i think we need to invest and there's a sweet spot comes up in infrastructure in particular that offers a real opportunity. >> jay, my question. as far as when you talk about that sweet spot, if we're going to start seeing inflation through the roof, i think a lot of people expect it if we come it to a deal with the fiscal cliff and get economic growth and get people investing, inflation will go up. so that is going to be a problem for american families. like you...
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i want the best policy which will grow america's economy and give us some prosperity. and my judgment is very clear. the best way to do that is to lower tax rates, restrict deductions. that's i think how you do it. >> yeah. stuart: i agree that that plan was defeated in the last election. can you make the economic judgment, what do you think is the best way to give us growth? >> well, i'm not an economist. i don't think that raising -- putting the tax rates back to the clinton level -- clinton era level is going to harm the economy. but if you could not raise taxes and you could make it up another way, i do think that's the better way to go. and, you know, i think the president is now appealing a little bit to the base on insisting on it has to be the tax rates, when he should be open to -- and maybe he will be -- this could just be a negotiating tactic, he should be open to the idea of closing loopholes eliminating deductions and making up the revenue in another way. stuart: i was right. >> you're very sensitive to drifting. stuart: i have never been described as sens
i want the best policy which will grow america's economy and give us some prosperity. and my judgment is very clear. the best way to do that is to lower tax rates, restrict deductions. that's i think how you do it. >> yeah. stuart: i agree that that plan was defeated in the last election. can you make the economic judgment, what do you think is the best way to give us growth? >> well, i'm not an economist. i don't think that raising -- putting the tax rates back to the clinton level...
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think of the economy as a car and the rich man is the driver. if you don't give the driver, he'll drive you over a cliff. >> that's an aside show and this is "hardball," the place for politics. two years ago, the people of bp made a commitment to the gulf. bp has paid over twenty-three billion dollars to help those affected and to cover cleanup costs. today, the beaches and gulf are open, and many areas are reporting their best tourism seasons in years. and bp's also committed to america. we support nearly 250,000 jobs and invest more here than anywhere else. we're working to fuel america for generations to come. our commitment has never been stronger. >>> never too early for pollsters to start head to 2016. guess who's looking very strong? hillary clinton. aç new abc news/washington pos poll say they would back hillary clinton. it's helpful no one has run a campaign against clinton for the past four years and also helping her numbers is 68% approve of theon she's done as secretary of state for this country. i'm done! "are you a cool mom?" i'm
think of the economy as a car and the rich man is the driver. if you don't give the driver, he'll drive you over a cliff. >> that's an aside show and this is "hardball," the place for politics. two years ago, the people of bp made a commitment to the gulf. bp has paid over twenty-three billion dollars to help those affected and to cover cleanup costs. today, the beaches and gulf are open, and many areas are reporting their best tourism seasons in years. and bp's also committed...
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this impacts the economy and uncertainty out there that is lingering is creating havoc with our economy and our states and in my particular budget, not only don't we have growth money which we're anticipating in utah which is having a pretty healthy economy, we could take as much as a $500 million loss in revenue strings because of not getting it resolved. we're going to encourage people to come together and get it done. we're also saying that states are willing to do our part. we understand this will be a shared sacrifice as you have to look at spending cuts. states are willing to do more with less. we're asking for more flexibility. it's a common theme that we've talked about with the president, with congress. give us more flexibility. take away some of the strings and we can do more with less, help you balance your budget. >> governor walker what exactly did you say to our president and did you talk about taxes? >> well, in our case, as jack and mary both mentioned, we're not here as individual governors. we're here as part of the national governors so tp it wasn't to discuss a speci
this impacts the economy and uncertainty out there that is lingering is creating havoc with our economy and our states and in my particular budget, not only don't we have growth money which we're anticipating in utah which is having a pretty healthy economy, we could take as much as a $500 million loss in revenue strings because of not getting it resolved. we're going to encourage people to come together and get it done. we're also saying that states are willing to do our part. we understand...
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somebody who has millions and millions of dollars another $100,000, they're not going to spend it into the economy and hire someone, they're going to send it to the caymans, which is what mitt romney did with his tax cuts. that's what they're going to do. the economic theory is not sound. if you give somebody with $50,000 another $1,000, they're going to spend it. >> at christmastime instead of a working stiff gets $50 for a thank you, they gave their 50 bucks to the boss. is that how -- >> by the way, a long time before the tea party existed or had a name, grover norquist, the famous anti-tax lobbyist in washington, was running around beginning to enforce ayatollah-style his edict about taxes, and he got republicans beginning back in the '80s to sign these tax pledges, which, as i say, that tax pledge has really become the core identity of the modern conservative republican party. >> okay. we got a new candidate, fred barnes, he's a smart conservative. he's not some crazy. he would like to give the tax cut at a million. here is what he wants to do. an increase in the individual income tax rate fo
somebody who has millions and millions of dollars another $100,000, they're not going to spend it into the economy and hire someone, they're going to send it to the caymans, which is what mitt romney did with his tax cuts. that's what they're going to do. the economic theory is not sound. if you give somebody with $50,000 another $1,000, they're going to spend it. >> at christmastime instead of a working stiff gets $50 for a thank you, they gave their 50 bucks to the boss. is that how --...
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this is about returning confidence to the economy. >> greta: a plan to rev up the economy or a plan for spending cuts? >> a plan for reducing the deficit which actually would return certainty to the economy, restore confidence, which would help economic growth. punishing success will not do that. temporary tax increases don't do that as well. >> greta: it's interesting, almost seems like a game of chicken to see who's going to blink first. i listen to what you say, and i understand it, i understand the broad principles, but i don't have the nuts and bolts of it. and i hear the president say he's ready, willing and excited to have bipartisanship, but i don't know what his plan is either. >> again, his budgets, four budgets, yet to propose a solution to save social security or medicare. can't even get democrats or house senators to vote for his plan. we haven't seen his plan. that's a real tragedy. the president, it's incumbent on him. he won, time for him to govern, show the american people his balanced plan. he talked about it all the time. we know where he wants to increase revenue. he
this is about returning confidence to the economy. >> greta: a plan to rev up the economy or a plan for spending cuts? >> a plan for reducing the deficit which actually would return certainty to the economy, restore confidence, which would help economic growth. punishing success will not do that. temporary tax increases don't do that as well. >> greta: it's interesting, almost seems like a game of chicken to see who's going to blink first. i listen to what you say, and i...
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how does the economy get out of this slump? what is our economy doing well right now? what are we not doing as well as a country to deal with our economy? >> good question. the economy now is actually looking quite resilient. if you look at what's happening in energy, enormous boom. in agriculture, even with the drought, you're seeing incredible levels of income to farmers, which is really welcome. in manufacturing, one of the strongest periods of manufacturing revival that we've seen in almost a generation. not just in autos, and not just in high tech, but comprehensibly across that. we are showing american companies very competitive and resilient, and companies are bringing back production from china and mexico because this is looking like a much stronger country in which to invest and build. those are very encouraging signs for the american economy. and people running america's businesses would say they are in the strongest position they have been in maybe a decade in terms of the ability they have to expand and grow. and if we are able to lift this threat, big tax
how does the economy get out of this slump? what is our economy doing well right now? what are we not doing as well as a country to deal with our economy? >> good question. the economy now is actually looking quite resilient. if you look at what's happening in energy, enormous boom. in agriculture, even with the drought, you're seeing incredible levels of income to farmers, which is really welcome. in manufacturing, one of the strongest periods of manufacturing revival that we've seen in...
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and i think the better for them and the economy. robert frank will join us with some very arresting numbers. high tax, fewer millionaires. not good. two years ago, the people of bp made a commitment to the gulf. bp has paid over twenty-three billion dollars to help those affected and to cover cleanup costs. today, the beaches and gulf are open, and many areas are reporting their best tourism seasons in years. and bp's also committed to america. we support nearly 250,000 jobs and invest more here than anywhere else. we're working to fuel america for generations to come. our commitment has never been stronger. >>> 28 days until the country plummets off the tax and fiscal cliff. big tax hikes could be coming for everyone but we see also a drastic reduction in the number of millionaires in the u.s. as a result of this tax cliff. robert frank joins us now with the details. good evening, robert. >> good evening. drastic is right. if we go over the cliff the wealthy will become less wealthy and fewer americans would become wealthy. the u.s
and i think the better for them and the economy. robert frank will join us with some very arresting numbers. high tax, fewer millionaires. not good. two years ago, the people of bp made a commitment to the gulf. bp has paid over twenty-three billion dollars to help those affected and to cover cleanup costs. today, the beaches and gulf are open, and many areas are reporting their best tourism seasons in years. and bp's also committed to america. we support nearly 250,000 jobs and invest more...
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they've taken on more debt into deteriorating economy. you tell me how that translates to this has all been fixed and this is all solved. it's not solved at all. [ overlapping speakers ] >> spain has about the same debt to gdp ratio as germany. that good enough for you? >> [ overlapping speakers ] >> hang on, fellows. let's not get hung up on spain. what i want to come back to is the usa. because our market has not collapsed, it's really different than it looks like it was back in 2011. i just want to ask, is it better to own those low-rate bonds right now? or jim la camp, i want you both to weigh in quickly. is it better to own corporate bonds or treasury bonds during this tiff over the fiscal cliff, or is it better to own stocks? real quick. >> well, short term we're going to have a lot of gyrations. but those yields are under the inflation rate. you're getting negative real returns on these. that's one of the reasons the stock market has been more buoyant. >> and don luskin, is it better to own bonds during this fiscal cliff tiff? >> y
they've taken on more debt into deteriorating economy. you tell me how that translates to this has all been fixed and this is all solved. it's not solved at all. [ overlapping speakers ] >> spain has about the same debt to gdp ratio as germany. that good enough for you? >> [ overlapping speakers ] >> hang on, fellows. let's not get hung up on spain. what i want to come back to is the usa. because our market has not collapsed, it's really different than it looks like it was...
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>> the president has to preside over the economy. from a political point of view, the president has a big microphone, he is better at the pr. >> do you agree? >> he will be blamed somewhat. a pretty big majority would blame republicans, which is why i think we're seeing some republican movement to accept just rates, they do not want to go off the fiscal cliff, they think they will be blamed. neil: do you get the feeling that i do, this is kabuki theater, and president with his overtured on rate level, and what they would be, now talking about some spending as part of the deal, that was all factored in. he has just been doing it in stages, we'll get a deal. do you think that is going to happen? >> i think it is a responsible approach. we have to get a dial. this is not a democrat issue or a republican issue, this is an american issue, we know we have to cut spending and we know there has to be some solution. at the end of the day we have on grow the economy. only way out of this thing. >> i think we'll get a deal, i'm not convinced to
>> the president has to preside over the economy. from a political point of view, the president has a big microphone, he is better at the pr. >> do you agree? >> he will be blamed somewhat. a pretty big majority would blame republicans, which is why i think we're seeing some republican movement to accept just rates, they do not want to go off the fiscal cliff, they think they will be blamed. neil: do you get the feeling that i do, this is kabuki theater, and president with his...
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caller: our economy is very fragile. a lot of the things the people in this country, the millionaires and billionaires have forgotten is the fact that if it were not for the tax payers, the infrastructure we put in place, to do business here, like good roads and power grids and bridges -- the list goes on. we the taxpayers are the ones who put this in place for them to make their millions and billions. i do not think it is wrong for everybody, including working class people, to pay their fair share. i think it is the right things that we have to do to dig in and bail this country out. guest: that is a good point. you just made the connection between the taxes we pay and when we get in return. one thing but a lot of people talk about is that in this country, sometimes people -- it is hard to make that connection. a lot of money we pay goes to the military, which maybe you're not involved in, or two seniors. maybe we're not there yet. we're paying a lot of money. we're not sure what we're getting back in return, and that i
caller: our economy is very fragile. a lot of the things the people in this country, the millionaires and billionaires have forgotten is the fact that if it were not for the tax payers, the infrastructure we put in place, to do business here, like good roads and power grids and bridges -- the list goes on. we the taxpayers are the ones who put this in place for them to make their millions and billions. i do not think it is wrong for everybody, including working class people, to pay their fair...
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economy be damned. the republicans offered to give so much and offering precisely what erskine bowles laid out as a compromise position in the proposal they made the other day. you have republicans repeatedly going back to the president and saying here is what we'll do. he says no, here is what we'll do going further. we are in this cycle now where the republicans are at the point they are done doing that. he talked to republicans. spent the better part of the day talking about the way out of this. increasingly you are hearing from republicans on the house and senate side we are done looking for compromise on this. we want a way out. looking for an exit plan. >> bret: meantime, the pentagon is now saying that they are preparing for sequestration, as the other agencies. getting ready for what happens. how much can the government hold off the bad things that happen on the first of the year? >> hold off some of it for a few months but this is a catastrophe. the president says rattling the cage, that will a
economy be damned. the republicans offered to give so much and offering precisely what erskine bowles laid out as a compromise position in the proposal they made the other day. you have republicans repeatedly going back to the president and saying here is what we'll do. he says no, here is what we'll do going further. we are in this cycle now where the republicans are at the point they are done doing that. he talked to republicans. spent the better part of the day talking about the way out of...
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find out what's really happening to the global economy with mike stronger or a no holds barred look at the global financial headlines tune in to the report on our. water bag the lone liberal rumble joining me tonight are francesca chambers and neil munro let's get back to it we're going to come and you're going to come on sometime neal and we'll just have a whole conversation about judicial review but right now what the heck is going on with republicans and you all but public holding signs that forty nine percent of republicans registered republicans nearly half believe that acorn stole the election last month for president obama acorn doesn't exist they closed down in two thousand and ten after congress stripped funding after a smear job by james o'keefe so and in addition that the same public poll found that a quarter of registered republicans want to secede from the union where they're going to go. there the libertarian paradise of somalia the people's republic of some piece of mexico i mean what i want you guys embarrassed for your parties and we recognize the full diversity of ame
find out what's really happening to the global economy with mike stronger or a no holds barred look at the global financial headlines tune in to the report on our. water bag the lone liberal rumble joining me tonight are francesca chambers and neil munro let's get back to it we're going to come and you're going to come on sometime neal and we'll just have a whole conversation about judicial review but right now what the heck is going on with republicans and you all but public holding signs that...
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you want to flirt with putting the economy into recession? have at it. >> that is essentially what the white house is up to right now. they said, in an era where americansment compromise, the president not compromising, this is what i want, and for that political agenda, i'm willing to go over the cliff. the secretary of treasury, the highest economic officer in the land said, oh, yeah, we're prepared to go over the cliff. that's telling the american people we don't care about the recession, unemployment that creates, we have an agenda, and that's more important. gerri: the k0*s of that could be the lost of 700,000 jobs, up to 2 million jobs, a recession, everybody predicts that. i want to talk to you, though, about the debt limit. we talked about that for a few minutes. an economist at moody's advising the president over a number of years had this to say about getting rid of the debt ceiling limit. we need to get rid of the ceiling law, it's a problem. what do you say to that? >> it's from a hundred years ago, and it was put there for a reas
you want to flirt with putting the economy into recession? have at it. >> that is essentially what the white house is up to right now. they said, in an era where americansment compromise, the president not compromising, this is what i want, and for that political agenda, i'm willing to go over the cliff. the secretary of treasury, the highest economic officer in the land said, oh, yeah, we're prepared to go over the cliff. that's telling the american people we don't care about the...
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if we raise taxes wickets in the economy into a tailspin. lou: you know, the choice, as i said, in terms of consequences for the political or economic will be severe. i want to credit. i don't know if you read his piece entitled the gop, the party of slightly fewer tax hikes. this has to be a carefully managed, if you will be the mouthpiece of political choreography because republican party right now, the party of free enterprise and individual freedom, self-reliance, and lower taxes and smaller government is on the verge of giving up its claims on lower taxes, smaller government, and, perhaps, perhaps migrated dependency, less individual freedom and self-reliance. it gives not much for the party to cling to politically. lou: here is the thing. the facts are actually on our side. when bush cut the tax rates in 2003, do you know what happened? more revenue. the percentage of that revenue. >> adelle want to give the full answer to this. we saw the slowest job creation. it was only matched by the procession of 2008 and nine. this is such a comp
if we raise taxes wickets in the economy into a tailspin. lou: you know, the choice, as i said, in terms of consequences for the political or economic will be severe. i want to credit. i don't know if you read his piece entitled the gop, the party of slightly fewer tax hikes. this has to be a carefully managed, if you will be the mouthpiece of political choreography because republican party right now, the party of free enterprise and individual freedom, self-reliance, and lower taxes and...
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the conditions have changed, the economy has changed, i think the outlook in the picture has changed. that's part of the reason the president is so firm about not going back to the debt ceiling conversation again and creating that level of instability and not bending on this issue of raisings the rates on the top 2%. >> yeah. i think -- >> go ahead. >> it's an important point. i think the american people are seeing that the president has already agreed to more than a year ago to that $1 trillion of cuts. that was 100% in cuts as part of the budget control act and he's always said we need a balanced approach. we can't do it through cuts alone. he has proposed additional cuts as part of the process but you need to have that revenue component to have the balanced approach. he has been insistent that we help our infrastructure and help the things that move the economy forward and it's interesting that republicans are so focused on this bonus tax break for 3 million americans but they have opposed or certainly been silent on the idea of extending for one year the payroll tax cut that benef
the conditions have changed, the economy has changed, i think the outlook in the picture has changed. that's part of the reason the president is so firm about not going back to the debt ceiling conversation again and creating that level of instability and not bending on this issue of raisings the rates on the top 2%. >> yeah. i think -- >> go ahead. >> it's an important point. i think the american people are seeing that the president has already agreed to more than a year ago...
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this economy wants to take off again. what's holding it back right now is the political uncertainty about whether we're going to go over the cliff and each day that clicks off, we are holding back retail sales during the christmas season and that's just crazy. >> senator, on entitlements, the other side of the equation here if the tax rates have gotten what the president wants, which is a raise to 39.6%. the three national unions have that come out with an ad campaign are targeting two senators. you are one of them. as well as two republican congressman as well. they are saying don't touch social security or medicare or other entitlements. would you be open to touching them in a deal? >> interest groups have every right to advocate but we've seen the lack of power that some of the negative attacks that were spent against a lot of candidates. i think medicare is a great program. it needs to be protected. but anyone that denies the math around these programs is just disconnected to reality. the fact is, when i was a kid, th
this economy wants to take off again. what's holding it back right now is the political uncertainty about whether we're going to go over the cliff and each day that clicks off, we are holding back retail sales during the christmas season and that's just crazy. >> senator, on entitlements, the other side of the equation here if the tax rates have gotten what the president wants, which is a raise to 39.6%. the three national unions have that come out with an ad campaign are targeting two...
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it could be damage for economy struggling to recover. takes us further down the road for what i think is the news of the day. argument over the debt ceiling today. that is one point of the republican lench in the dole. some machiavellian misstep made. he wanted the democrats to be embarrassed. and have to force a vote and propose it. reed said go ahead. put them in position to filibuster. to speak to the judge's point, if people stand here and simply say no to the idea of raising the tax rates on the republican side, it will damage the republican brand. the republicans have to get the best possible deal. in the spirit of the president's problem and he was intent on spending. not on cutting spending. but on taxes. that is how you use the president's position against him. to say no goes to bevy of polls that show republicans have the lion's share. >> bret: isn't that fair to say the president hasn't poe cussed at owl on cutting spending? the white house says they agreed to a $1 trillion in discretionary spending cuts. proposal to achieve $
it could be damage for economy struggling to recover. takes us further down the road for what i think is the news of the day. argument over the debt ceiling today. that is one point of the republican lench in the dole. some machiavellian misstep made. he wanted the democrats to be embarrassed. and have to force a vote and propose it. reed said go ahead. put them in position to filibuster. to speak to the judge's point, if people stand here and simply say no to the idea of raising the tax rates...
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that i'm not sympathetic with for that reason but then it's a larger point this is a vast and complex economy these are highly productive workers you can see the cranes you can see the containers we can afford small blocks of inefficiency because it makes americans more earn more money they live a better life but this is an argument for having a high tech highly productive country not a country based on low skill labor as we have now with immigration policy on low skilled labor based on the terrible schools and we can manage a broad based terrible education reva bhalla see that moves all of that is that for so many of. the maybe don't fix to the question of international trade we can modify a fix we just says you know this is george bush said you know we don't need no strings a.b.m. treaty the president can say we don't need no stinking trade treaty yes he could and that would cost enormous numbers of jobs in certain sectors no. millions of jobs and it would create millions of jobs however we would also and up driving up prices we would be we would have more jobs but we would all be poorer th
that i'm not sympathetic with for that reason but then it's a larger point this is a vast and complex economy these are highly productive workers you can see the cranes you can see the containers we can afford small blocks of inefficiency because it makes americans more earn more money they live a better life but this is an argument for having a high tech highly productive country not a country based on low skill labor as we have now with immigration policy on low skilled labor based on the...
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the economy would contract by half a percent in 2013. unemployment would raise to 9.1% and the economy would experience what cbo said would be judged as a recession. but after that, then things start to look pretty good. the cbo says after next year by the agency's estimates economic growth will pick up. the labor market will strengthen returning output to its potential level. 5.5% by 2018. essentially if no deal is struck, the federal government would be forced to do what it's refused to do willingly, make dramatic changes in taxes and spending. if those changes happen automatically, the cbo estimates it would have a positive long-term impact. by comparison, it says current law is kept in place, output and income would be lower down the road. so here is another way to look at it. fast forward to budget projections. keeping tax cuts in place, extending most tax provisions and putting off spending cuts would put revenue in 2020 at 4dz.2 trillion. spending at $5.3 trillion. the national debt is projected to be near $20 trillion by then. $3
the economy would contract by half a percent in 2013. unemployment would raise to 9.1% and the economy would experience what cbo said would be judged as a recession. but after that, then things start to look pretty good. the cbo says after next year by the agency's estimates economic growth will pick up. the labor market will strengthen returning output to its potential level. 5.5% by 2018. essentially if no deal is struck, the federal government would be forced to do what it's refused to do...
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he's argued this based on economis economists. it's not nonsense, an illness. >> first of all, going back to my core argument, the idea if you're grg toç take $89 billioa year and reduce the deficit, it's laughable in its face. the president is calling for more spending with his new stimulus. number two. point number two, the democrats have shown nothing by way of spending cuts. julian talks about there's $1.6 trillion. only in washington, d.c. can you say we're winding down the war but we're going to count that as savings. baseline spending doesn't make any sense. the president of the united states -- >> if we -- >> julian, hang on one second. the president of the united states should call the congressional leadership up to camp david, go up there and they should get in a room and they should sit there until they hammer out a deal. >> i agree with that. >> julian, go ahead. >> there are three big points the viewers need to understand and they need to take note that ron did not respond to. first, on the economists. the economist
he's argued this based on economis economists. it's not nonsense, an illness. >> first of all, going back to my core argument, the idea if you're grg toç take $89 billioa year and reduce the deficit, it's laughable in its face. the president is calling for more spending with his new stimulus. number two. point number two, the democrats have shown nothing by way of spending cuts. julian talks about there's $1.6 trillion. only in washington, d.c. can you say we're winding down the war but...